Radical Leftists Stock Up on Guns Preparing for Violent Resistance to Trump

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Oh how quickly the roles have changed.  Just a year ago, only crazy “deplorables” were clinging to their bibles and guns.  Now it looks as though the Leftists are suddenly

What Will It Take To Make The Majority Pull Their Heads Out Of The Sand & Say ENOUGH!

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Homelessness.

These people were our allies in WW2, now our government is sanctioning genocide of these West Papuans. 
Are you proud to call yourself Australian?

Prepper Relocation Part IV: The Fatal Error of Relocating to an Isolated Region

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One of the single biggest mistakes preppers make is that they buy into the myth that relocating to a small region in the North West corner of the United States

5 Ways To Hide Your Guns During Martial Law

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: disasters are when you need your firearms the most! During major disasters, police are stretched to the limit while desperate people loot their neighbors’ homes and criminals take advantage of the lack of law enforcement. Robberies, assaults, and murders skyrocket during such times, which is why […]

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The plan to suspend open carry at the RNC is a dangerous setup

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After the assassination of three police officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Fox News began broadcasting comments from various “conservative” commentators demanding that Ohio’s open carry law be suspended in Cleveland

Global Updates July 12, 2016: World Chaos is Accelerating

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It has been some time since I posted.  I apologize as a lot has transpired over the last two weeks.  To make up for lost time, I am going to

Coming Gun Control – Prep Yourself Before It’s Too Late

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Whatever you believe, one thing is certain – the upcoming election will be the most important one in the last century as it relates to gun control.

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Why you need to buy a “registered” gun in the calibers you shoot.

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Most of us immediately recognize and value the benefits of the freedom to individually engage in a personal firearms transfer without government intervention or oversight.  In fact, the general rule

Constitutional Win for Gun Rights in the District of Columbia

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In a rare win, residents of the District of Columbia won a court ruling against the District’s draconian gun laws.  In short, U.S. District Judge Richard J. Leon ruled that

Weapons Caches and Random Thoughts Theiron

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In reply to a recent post smart prepared guy and frequent commenter Meister, who I just learned has a blog, left a comment that I have been mulling over.

“An operational Cache is the only way to defeat the man when they come for your guns. If all you first tier weapons and gear is available to them, your later efforts will be hamstrung by crappy gear or inadequate weapons. Your Cache is as important, or more important than the gear you keep in your “minuteman load out”

I should note that we sort of covered this general topic in the post about my operational cache and RE:When They Come For Your Guns. That being said.

There are a lot of reasons you could want to have guns cached away. Your house might burn down or there could be a break in. The point is to avoid having all your eggs in one basket. Many things could happen in life and it is prudent to have options.

Of course we need to weigh the trade off of access vs security. To loosely quote John Mosby in the conversation where I asked to cross post his seminal post on caches “if you bury a gun you can’t shoot someone in the face with it.” Guns you rely on for defense or hunting should not be cached as a general matter of principle. If you have a small battery of guns that meets your basic needs there isn’t much, if anything, left to cache. That is what it is. Down the road as you pick up additional weapons over time the ability to cache some will present itself.

Meister justifiably criticized stashing less than optimal weapons. His point that you should put as much, if not more, thought into the gear that gets cached as the stuff in your home defense/ minute man load out is valid. If nothing else should a problem arise with the M4agery sitting in my house I can dig up a new part from my stash or get one at a local shop; on the other hand if/ when I dig up a buried rifle I need it to be as reliable as humanly possible. I am taking this into some serious consideration for the future. That comment could also be a reply to my point that you can stash whatever sort of guns you have on hand. This discussion deserves it’s own reply.

People with multiple (certainly 3+)  fighting rifles and multiple handguns can afford to put away good fighting weapons. On the other end of the spectrum these are hard times. Lots of people are sacrificing deeply and working extra hours to buy 1 AR-15/ AK and 1 good fighting pistol. Telling these folks they have to get another set  or two to be prepared is going to send them into overload; not to mention they need food storage, plenty of 5.56 or 7.62×39 and 9mm ammo and other stuff.

I have said to cache the guns you have on hand to cache and stand by that. If you have a $1,500 Daniels Defense AR and a $900 Sig to put away then do that but if all you’ve got is a dusty Marlin 30-30 and a .22 revolver then put them away in a cache. Buy a couple hundred rounds of ammo for the 30-30 and some ammo for the .22 and put it all away. I am not saying they are the best guns but if they are the best guns you have not to put away then run with it. I would sure rather have a 30-30 and a .22 revolver than nothing.

Coming back to my own personal situation. I cached what I had. My operational cache has a J frame .38 revolver which isn’t exactly my ideal do everything handgun. I wish I could have put a full sized Glock in there but I didn’t have one to spare. Maybe in the next couple years I will stash some sort of a Glock there. The ideal situation for that would be a Glock 22 with a 9mm Lone Wolf conversion barrel. Also wish I was able to stash a military sleep system or two there. We do the best we can and then try to do better later.

My intent is to spur people into action. The reason I am pushing this so hard is to get people out of the problem admiration phase and to get them to actually do something. It is great to think of a time in the future where stashing a spare of your favorite fighting rifle and pistol will be painless. Set up an operational cache with what you can put in it now. Down the road if your collection grows replace the guns you put away with fancier ones or even better keep the old cache where it is and set up another one with the new guns.  Again my intent is that if you can realistically set away a gun or two then do it, soon. Things can happen and it is prudent to get squared away sooner instead of later.

As to the guns you keep on hand one could always stash some of them if needed. Say you had a feeling some sort of confiscation was coming. In a minimal amount of time you could set up a hasty cache with some of the guns you have on hand. I do believe you would be prudent to have something left to confiscate. Maybe it is your couple papered guns or a revolver and a shotgun or Mosin. Just be sure to stash the ancillary stuff like ammo and mags for the guns you put away.

It is my personal opinion a survivalist could do well to set up as many caches as they can afford to set up, keep track of and have use for. Just beware not to go too far and short yourself in other areas such as food storage, paying off debt, setting aside tools and gear, etc.

So those are my thoughts on that. What do you think?

Reader Questions: Unpapered Guns

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Swap guns purchased on a 4473 with someone else I know so they are one step removed or sell and buy at a gunshow as a private sale for more anonymity????

Ryan here: First of all one could debate how much of a concern the whole 4473 defacto registration through record keeping should be. I talked about this awhile back.  If you live in a state where it is legal stashing away a few guns for a rainy gun grabbing day is a sound idea. I hope to do the same myself in the near future.

Now as to private party firearms I would say they are not all equal. Lets say there is a color scheme between white being a papered gun you bought from a gun shop and black being a gun you bought with cash from a total stranger who you had never communicated with at a gun show 300 miles from home with no records kept then the stranger had a heart attack in the parking lot. A gun you bought from your neighbor the cop would be a very light shade of grey. A gun you bought from a friend of a friend a bit less so. You get the idea.

If your goal is to get a paperless gun the closer it is to black on the range the better off you are.

In general I would not worry too much about flipping the guns you have. If you like the guns you have and can afford (not today but over a reasonable time span) the cost to just keep what you have and get new guns for the rainy gun grabbing day stash. Have the guns you have be your normal training, home defense stuff then put a spare set away JIC.

Those are my thoughts on that.

Survivalblog: Off-Paper: The Importance of Making Private Arms Purchases

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Off-Paper: The Importance of Making Private Arms Purchases

Firearms sales in the United States, as measured by the number of completed National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) background checks, are near an all-time high. In February, 2016, there were a whopping 2.6 million background checks! But those sales numbers only reflect the sales of new guns sold by Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders. The bigger and largely unreported news is of the upswing in the sales of used guns (“secondary sales”) by private parties. At a recent gun show, I observed that the folks who were there selling guns from their private collections were met by very eager buyers. At one private party sales table a gent sold out of every gun that he brought with him, all on a Friday– the first day of a three-day gun show. Everywhere at the show I heard and saw the same thing: Buyers who were primarily looking for battle rifles, scoped long-range rifles, and handguns with double-column magazines, and looking to buy them without any paperwork. Twice, I heard husbands say to their wives: “No, not that table, they have a license.” The tables being run by FFL holders were not nearly as busy as the private party tables. This was the busiest Friday I had ever seen at a show.

Understanding the Federal Gun Laws

Up until 1968, guns could be ordered by mail. With the enactment Gun Control Act of 1968, the sales of all new guns could only be made by FFL holders. Under current law, any FFL holder who brings any new or used gun into their inventory must log it into their Bound Book (or computerized equivalent) by the close of the next business day after the acquisition or purchase, and they must record sales or other dispositions within seven days. When a FFL holder sells any post-1898 manufactured gun, the buyer must fill out a Form 4473. Starting in November of 1998, the NICS phone system went live. So now, a NICS check must be accomplished before the buyer walks away with his purchase from an FFL. The Form 4473 is a permanent record, and any FFL holder who lets his license lapse must turn in his books and forms to the BATFE’s Out-of-Business Records Center. There, the records are digitized for future reference, making them a de facto gun registration database.
In addition to Federal law, America has a patchwork of state and local gun laws. This can be both good and bad. The good side of this is that if you dislike the laws in your state, you can simply “vote with your feet” and move to another state. The bad part is that when you travel, you might unwittingly come under the jurisdiction of some strange gun laws. For example, in Massachusetts, shooting ranges are prohibited from posting up targets that resemble human beings. In North Carolina one cannot carry a firearm in a funeral procession. And in Illinois, some local governments have enacted magazine capacity limits, including Chicago (15 rounds), Oak Park (10 rounds), Aurora (15 rounds), and Cook County (10 rounds).
Under Federal law, since 1968, it has been illegal to be “engaged in the business” of buying and selling firearms with the principle purpose of earning a living without obtaining an FFL. Oddly, neither Congress nor the BATFE has ever set a threshold of how many gun sales per year constitutes being “engaged in the business”. Thus, it has been largely up to the persuasive power of Federal prosecuting attorneys to convince juries of such status, on a case-by-case basis. The ambiguity has never been resolved. And recently, it got even worse. In January 2016, President BHO announced executive actions that were intended to intimidate private gun collectors, threatening them with prosecution, even if they sold just an ambiguously “few” guns a year with the intent of making a profit. A newspaper account stated: “Obama said that anyone ‘engaged in the business’ of selling firearms would need to obtain a license [or face prosecution]. Attorney General Loretta Lynch further clouded the water by saying this could mean as few as one or two gun sales.” These executive actions are unconstitutional, because they were aimed at intrastate commerce. It will surely eventually be tested in the courts, but for now, Obama’s expansive “redefinition” of the term gun dealer seems to be intended to put fear, uncertainty, and doubt into the minds of private collectors who sell guns from time to time, to upgrade or reduce their personal collections.

The Last Bastions of Firearms Freedom

In most States it is perfectly legal for used guns to be bought and sold by private parties, with no paper trail. Under the protection of the Second Amendment, this is the way it should be! The government has no business restricting private sales of used goods inside of any of the 50 States. (The Interstate Commerce Clause only gives jurisdiction over interstate sales. So, by definition a used gun that stays within the boundaries of a State is no longer in interstate commerce and has no Federal legal nexus. It is just another piece of private household goods. And as long as both the seller and the buyer are adult residents of the same State, then they are conducting legitimately intrastate commerce. No nexus means no jurisdiction.)
A few States now require private party sales of used guns to be conducted through FFL holders with NICS background check and the Federal paperwork. If you live in a state where private party sales have been banned, then you should either move or get busy trying to get those laws changed. If you feel stuck in one of these States because of family or work obligations, then you might have to make do the best you can. One good approach in these States is to acquire cartridge guns that have frames (receivers) that were manufactured in or before 1898. These Pre-1899 Guns thankfully are not classified as “Firearms”, and as Antiques they are exempt from Federal recordkeeping requirements and are also exempt under most State laws. (Be sure to consult the laws in your jurisdiction.)
Another possibility, at least in some States, is to manufacture your own guns. Again, be sure to check on your State and local laws, but even in most of the States where private party sales are banned, there is no paperwork required for gun receivers that you manufacture yourself. Nearly anyone with basic mechanical skills can finish up an 80%-complete receiver and then assemble an AR-15 with the other readily available (unrestricted) parts that make up the rest of the rifle. Even someone who is a klutz at machining can set up a Ghostgunner automated milling machine or get through the many steps in casting an inexpensive “Pour Freedom” polymer receiver, using molds available from AR15Mold.com.
Under current U.S. law it is only the serialized receiver that constitutes the “firearm”. That is the only restricted part and hence the only part that requires the Form 4473 paperwork. All of the rest of the parts required to assemble a gun can be bought via mail order or at gun shows without any paperwork. In many other countries, any gun part that is under pressure when firing (barrels, bolts, and gas pistons) are also restricted, and their purchase comes under the same scrutiny as would the purchase of a complete firearm. This same legal standard might eventually become adopted in the United States, so it is important that you not just acquire your AR receivers but also your complete upper receiver/barrel and bolt assemblies without paperwork, soon.

Their “Loophole” is Your Freedom!

The gun-grabbing Leftist-Statists have recently become fond of the phrase: “Closing the gun show loophole”. This is purely a political phrase with no basis in fact. Their goal is to turn all gun sales into paper-traced transactions with a Federal background check. If they succeed in this, then they may end our firearms ownership privacy in just one generation. Once this system is in place, then there will be no firearms ownership privacy and there will be no free secondary market. The pool of privately-owned arms is presently quite opaque, but they aim to make it all-too transparent and fully accountable to Big Brother. Don’t fall for their rhetoric. Their real goal is to enslave you. They are just doing this under the guise of “commonsense gun regulations.”

Keeping Kosher

Every freedom-loving American gun owner should maintain at least a part of their gun collection that has no paper trail. And this should include at least one battle rifle chambered in 5.56mm NATO or 7.62 NATO. This sans papiere part of a gun collection is what I call my Kosher Collection– the guns that are not traceable to me as an individual. This is important, because the day may come when laws change and Federal agents (or their local minions) will come knocking on doors, collecting papered guns. So you will want to have some guns that are either entirely untraceable, or that have broken paper trails that you’ve bought anonymously with cash from private parties.
Ideally, your Kosher Collection should be stored so well hidden that it cannot be found, if burglars or other miscreants ever seized possession of the rest of your other guns. In essence, your rule should be: Keep your papered guns stored in your gun vault and your paperless guns hidden in your walls or cached underground. Your Kosher Collection must be kept as viable tools for self defense or for the common defense, for the long term. Therefore, it stands to reason that you should also keep stored with them a good supply of ammunition, spare magazines, cleaning equipment, and a few spare parts. These too should be kept well-hidden.

Shortages Are Looming

The current surge in gun buying is not public hysteria. It is just people looking out for themselves and their families, in their rational self-interest. I believe that it is just a precursor of more frantic buying in the next eight months. Don’t be surprised to see significant shortages of battle rifles (with commensurately higher prices), particularly AR-15s and AR-10s, and full capacity magazines, before November. Also in anticipation of the presidential election, I expect to see shortages of gun burial tubes and perhaps even some shortages of 6″ and 8″ diameter PVC pipe threaded end caps.
Remember: We are living in the Age of Deception and Betrayal. Conduct yourself stalwartly, in ways that are fitting for these parlous times. – JWR

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Posts of Note

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In response to my recent post Commander Zero wrote his own post. The issue of balance is one we agree upon. He brought up one valid point I practice but fail to consider. Some items are arguably at risk of being available in the future. Guns, mags, ammo, body armor, night vision, etc are widely available now but may well not be in the future. On the other hand some items like tools, food, etc are likely to be available in the future. Within reason (balance and financial) front loading at risk items makes sense.

Also Kenny did a great post on how we actually use expensive tactical knives. For military folks substitute MRE for Amazon.

Controversial New Law Allows Gun Confiscation — Without Any Notice

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Controversial New Law Allows Gun Confiscation -- Without Any Notice

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A controversial bill that gives judges the power to strip California residents of their Second Amendment rights went into effect January 1.

The new law, previously known as Assembly Bill (AB) 1014, is aimed at the mentally ill, although critics say its language is so broad that innocent gunowners will be targeted.

“Under AB 1014, Second Amendment rights would be stripped away on as little as hearsay,” a petition on the website of the Firearms Policy Coalition, a gun rights group states. “With as little as a misunderstood Facebook post, your gun rights could be STRIPPED AWAY and your LIFE TURNED UPSIDE DOWN.”

Supporters of the law disagree, and claim it will prevent mass shootings.

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“AB 1014 provides an effective tool to get guns out of the hands of loved ones to avoid these tragedies,” the law’s co-sponsor, State Assembly member Nancy Skinner, told The Los Angeles Times. Skinner said the law is aimed at preventing tragedies such as the May 2014 mass shooting in Isla Vista which was carried out by Elliot Rodger, a man who was allegedly mentally ill.

An End-Run Around the Second Amendment?

Here is how AB 2014 lets law enforcement confiscate guns:

  • A family member or law enforcement officer who believes someone else is mentally ill or capable of violence asks law enforcement or a prosecutor to apply to a judge for a Gun Violence Restraining Order, or GVRO.
  • The subject of the GVRO is not notified of this action. This allows the judge to issue the order without seeing the person it is directed against and gives that individual no opportunity to contest it.
  • Once the GVRO is issued, law enforcement officers have the power to confiscate the subject’s guns and hold them for 21 days – unless the judge determines that the order should be made permanent.
  • The GVRO would give police the power to search homes and businesses without a warrant.
  • The GVRO would also prevent the person from purchasing firearms in the state of California.

“In other words, a judge could issue the order without ever hearing from the person in question, if there are reasonable grounds to believe the person is a threat based on accounts from the family and police,” a Firearms Policy Coalition press release states.

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Who is to blame for gun control?

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All across the nation literally millions of Americans are “fed up” with the government ramming unconstitutional gun control laws into effect. However, who is really at fault for the encroaching

What we can learn from the Oregon militia standoff and how to implement those lessons

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Ammon Bundy’s stand against the Bureau of Land Management and the Federal Government in Oregon, whether you agree with it or not, should serve as a learning point for grassroots

On Firearms Control In Australia. By Robert Borsak.

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Today I was asked by Fox News in London to comment on whether or not Australia’s firearms laws work to stop crime in light of the decision by President Obama to reform American gun laws.

Our advocacy is being internationally recognized and it is about time that law abiding firearms owners get a fair go.

The show will air soon and we will get a copy of the segment as soon as we can get our hands on it.

In the meantime, here are my thoughts as an Australian law abiding firearm owner:

As President Obama attempts to reform America gun laws, the issue of gun control and violence is yet again in the spotlight. My thoughts and sentiments on this are not centred around American gun control or gun culture per se, but rather the Australian experience.

It is deeply disturbing that every time the issue of gun control is debated in America or other jurisdictions for that matter, Australian guns laws are hailed as the gold standard – a benchmark for leaders to achieve. Well, they are not.

As a starting point, we are not America, we do not have a constitutional right to bear arms, and in fact our constitution does not afford ordinary citizens many rights at all. Instead, what we have is an array of draconian and impractical state and national firearms laws, underpinned by a ‘Howard’ mentality that somehow regulating law abiding people will deter crime.

But the facts and evidence fly in the face of many of these ‘anti-gun’ lies and misinformation.

In late 2015, following intensive discussions with Robert Brown and I, the NSW Deputy Premier and Police Minister, Troy Grant, rightly pointed out what the Shooters and Fishers Party have been saying for over 20 years, “Greater than 97% of all firearms incidents reported in NSW relate to unregistered, or unbranded, or unmarked firearms… NSW has an illegal firearm problem”.

This has been the reality in Australia for decades. The vast majority of firearms crimes committed are done so with the use of an illegal or unregistered firearm by an unlicensed individual.

Logic dictates then, does it not, that the Government should focus the vast majority of its time and resources on curbing the illegal firearms trade and tough sentencing measures? Rather, successive governments have spent over a billion dollars on targeting law abiding firearms owners through failed registration schemes, confiscation and pointless “tough gun control” measures.

Further, independent and statistical research indicates that the regulation, including banning, of firearms, has little to no causal effect on the rate of crime. The Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research published a working paper on The Australian Firearms Buyback and Its Effect on Gun Deaths, which ultimately concluded that the NFA did not have large or long-term effects on reducing firearms homicide or suicide rates in Australia.

Our gun laws are nothing to be proud of. In fact, they represent one of the most vile and draconian attacks on personal freedoms and culture. They have been formed, and continue to be formed, on lies, political mileage and misinformation.

In 1996, the Howard Government decided that we couldn’t be trusted with semi-automatic rifles and pump action shotguns anymore, yet it seems criminals didn’t get the message?

Even today, the ordinary Australian citizens cringes or questions me when I tell them I love shooting and hunting. I don’t blame them though. I blame the collective efforts of politicians like John Howard, anti-gun groups like The Australian Greens and Gun Control Australia, and most of the media. This atmosphere of paranoia and ignorance was created by them. It is our job to unwind the damage and further our rights in the process.

Licensed firearms owners are among the few classes of people that are acknowledged and endorsed as fit and proper persons. Criminals are not allowed to obtain firearms licences period. Ownership and use of a firearm is a highly held privilege. With that privilege we have the right not to be associated with or disadvantaged by the action of senseless cowards. Relaxing firearms laws to make it easier and more practical for law abiding citizens to enjoy their sport and cultural pastimes is not going to result in a mass shooting or spike in gun crime.

To my fellow law abiding firearm owners, and to anyone who truly values personal freedoms and fact based decision making, I say this: The fight for the roll back of these firearms laws will be a generational struggle, but united, we have a strong and growing voice that will not be silenced!

Gun Laws Are Common Sense According to Stalin, Mao, Hitler, and Obama

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Per my previous volumes on the subject of gun control, Obama and his Leftist ideologues are following the script. They continue to push an agenda for a total gun ban

Treason in our day: H.R.4269 – Assault Weapons Ban of 2015

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When does an act reach the bar for high treason? If not when powerful men conspire to abolish the Constitution and your basic God given rights, then when?  I ask

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest believes Hillary Clinton should be disqualified from serving as president

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It is said that if it wasn’t for double standards, Democrats wouldn’t have standards.  Case and point was demonstrated this week when White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest stated Donald

Totalitarian End Game Is Here: New York Times Calls For Nationwide Gun Confiscation From Law-Abiding Americans

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New York Times

By Mike Adams – Natural News

(NaturalNews) It is now obvious to nearly everyone that the leftist mainstream media is actively working on the same team as ISIS. Not only has this media — the NYT, CNN, WashPost, etc. — deliberately covered up the real threat of ISIS and radical Islam in America; it is now demanding that all Americans be disarmed so that ISIS terrorists will meet no armed citizens whatsoever as they escalate their terrorism and mass murder across America.

CNN, for example, blacked out any mention of the word “Muslim” when covering the breaking news of the San Bernardino shooting. Every leftist media outlet in the nation has demanded the continuation of the absurd national policy of wholly unprotected borders that allow terrorists to easily enter the country. And now the New York Times is directly calling for the nationwide, government-run confiscation of firearms from all Americans.

Continue reading at Natural News: Totalitarian End Game Is Here: New York Times Calls For Nationwide Gun Confiscation From Law-Abiding Americans

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The problem isn’t Islamic Terrorism it is guns according to Emperor Obama

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I wrote the following paragraph on October 19th this year as the first of a three part series explaining exactly how gun control and then confiscation would be enacted across

Martial Law = Gun Confiscation? One Big Reason Why it is Unlikely

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4.26/5 (31) Editor’s Note: This post is another entry in the Prepper Writing Contest from Bolo. Many Prepper and survivalist web sites contain an abundance of material about the likelihood of gun confiscation in the aftermath of a major disaster. The general premise is that government agencies and/or military units will be going door to […]

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City Confiscates 10,000 Guns, Thumbs Nose At State Law

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Atlanta’s police department is storing up to 10,000 confiscated firearms and refusing to give them back to their owners or sell them, in defiance of state law.

Deputy Police Chief Ericka Shields told The Atlanta Journal Constitution that her department has several thousand confiscated guns stored in a secret location.

The city’s mayor supports the police department.

“It’s very difficult for me to lead on this, because even in the state of Georgia, when we take illegal guns off the street, under Georgia state law right now, we actually have to return them or make them available to the public in some form,” Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed told TV station CBS 46.

Reed was referring to Senate Bill 350, a state law that makes it illegal for local governments to destroy confiscated guns. That law obligates the city to return stolen guns to “innocent owners” and when not possible, to auction off confiscated weapons to the public. The police are refusing to do either one.

“We have an obligation to re-sell that, re-bid that, and get that to gun purchasers so they can re-sell those,” Atlanta Police Chief George Turner said

But Turner argued that doing so would be “catastrophic” to public safety.

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“The city of Atlanta has not done that,” Turner said.

The authors of the bill say the city obviously is breaking the law.

“The law says what the law is. I don’t know how you go around that,” former state Senator Don Balfour, who wrote the law, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

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The law, passed in 2012, requires that a city auction off guns every six months. Atlanta has not held any auctions. It also says: “If the lawful owner is not found or unable to take possession of the firearm, the law requires that municipalities shall not have the right to reject any and all bids or to cancel any proposed sale of such firearms, and all sales shall be to persons who are licensed as firearms collectors, dealers, importers, or manufacturers.”

Nationwide, the fate of confiscated guns varies widely from city to city and state to state. Some large cities including Chicago, New York and Los Angeles – as well as the US Department of Justice — destroy all confiscated guns. The Justice Department destroyed more than 90,000 firearms worth an estimated $24 million over the past 10 years, CNN Money reported.

Other jurisdictions destroy only certain weapons, such as defective or illegal guns and firearms used in violent crimes. Some law enforcement agencies sell guns to the public through auctions or sell them through federally licensed dealers. Some departments also distribute seized weapons to other law enforcement agencies.

Eleven states — Arizona, Montana, North Dakota, Kansas, Texas, Michigan, Louisiana, Tennessee, West Virginia, Georgia and North Carolina — have laws encouraging or requiring police to sell confiscated guns to the public, CNN Money said.

The NRA and other gun rights groups have threatened to sue cities that refuse to sell weapons as required by state law.

“Police destruction of firearms is unnecessary and wasteful,” NRA spokeswoman Amy Hunter told CNN Money. “There is no reason any police department can’t resell those firearms to law-abiding citizens and use the money for any number of things — infrastructure, law enforcement training, equipment, etc.”

Police Chief Fred Fletcher of Chattanooga is one of many law enforcement leaders that disagree with the NRA on this issue. His fear is that guns could end up in the hands of the bad guys.

“My job is to keep my officers safe,” Fletcher said. “To send them out to face the same guns they risked their lives to get off the street is a big concern.”

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Part III: Gun Confiscation Goes Mainstream: Tyranny in the Land of the “Free”

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Post Confiscation and the Resistance When the government decrees you must turn in your weapons, the question is whether you will comply or resist. Consider this question carefully because the

Part II of The Gun Confiscation Goes Mainstream: Tyranny in the Land of the “Free”

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Part II: The Gun Ban is Announced Last night I spoke of how to resist encroaching gun control laws and regulation. However, I admitted that we are fighting a rigged

Gun Confiscation Goes Mainstream: Tyranny in the Land of the “Free”

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Part I:  Before the Ban When a leading presidential contender can come out and openly suggest we should begin gun confiscation in the United States and her statements are treated